as i said, people died in embassies 15 years ago today. 12 years ago george bush got a memo and we all know what happened there. this is not a game. >> this isn't a game. this is people's lives, rev. that's why it's so critically important. at the end of the day, i'm not going to listen to rush limbaugh on national security. let's face it. when it was his turn to serve, he got out of vietnam because he had pimples on his butt. these guys on the far right wing of the republican party have to stop drinking the hater-ade. it's wrong and disgraceful. >> now -- yes, karen? >> i was going to say the other thing is this is dangerous. they're con flating a lot of different things. there's core al qaeda, al qaeda in the arabian peninsula. but we also know there are these affiliate groups that claim to be part of al qaeda and some are and some aren't. the point being, we have to monitor all of that. that is our new reality. >> and some of the other groups could be more dangerous trying to establish themselves. last night the president was on jay leno. and he answered some of his criti critics. w